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		<title>By: myogdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>myogdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working on it now. I apologize. First it was games, and then I got sick and my brain barely worked for a few days.</description>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can dig it.  Where&#039;s our next post?</description>
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		<title>By: myogdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>myogdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never anticipated a day where I would have to defend a critical stance on Titanic. But fine. FINE. 
I have to stick to my guns, for one reason and one reason only: You know what other movie came out in 1997? Beverly Hills Ninja. THE DEFENSE RESTS, BECAUSE THAT MOVIE IS FUCKING AWESOME. I know that stops the disagreement right there, but I&#039;ll go on. Actually, I thought The Full Monty was pretty awesome, too.

If I&#039;m understanding correctly, here&#039;s the defense of these movies: A decent plot is complimented by revolutionary special effects and a host of good actors. I&#039;m fine with that, but it brings up two points in my mind.

First of all, Jurassic Park, The Matrix, Star Wars and Terminator all fit the same description. I&#039;d go as far as to say that I felt all of these were better movies or at least as good as Titanic, although I may just be saying that because I&#039;m a boy and these are all action movies. Either way, they all had really amazing effects for their time, created a unique universe, had at least passable stories and at least decent actors, and all of them won Oscars, for things like acting, special effects and sound, but none of them won best picture.

Second, I feel like following this train of thought, if James Cameron were to take Goldilocks and the Three Bears, put it in some fantastic setting like space or ancient Egypt, load the cast up and then give it some really impressive special effects, I would be a stuffy, holier-than-thou dick if I thought that wasn&#039;t the greatest movie made that year either, ESPECIALLY IF BEVERLY HILLS NINJA CAME OUT THAT VERY SAME YEAR.

I&#039;m not saying that these are terrible movies. Except for Titanic. Actually, I&#039;m just saying that to antagonize you. Except yes, I think Titanic sucks. (OR DO I?)

What I am saying is that A) part of what makes me think a movie is awesome is being able to watch it again and again and think it&#039;s really cool, even after the original luster of the special effects has worn off and the actors have fallen off of everyone&#039;s radar and B) I agree that Avatar had very impressive visuals, but I feel like the special effects end up over-inflating people&#039;s perception of the quality of it.

I&#039;m not saying that anyone should feel guilty for liking them, either, or that you can&#039;t enjoy this movie. Almost all of my media consumption is trash. I listen to metal, I read junk, I play hours of video games and my favorite food is nachos. I love all of those things, and I don&#039;t lose a lot of sleep about it or feel guilty that I don&#039;t read more Dostoevsky, eat more foie gras and listen to Classical. But I also don&#039;t expect any of the things I like to get a lot of critical acclaim, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never anticipated a day where I would have to defend a critical stance on Titanic. But fine. FINE.<br />
I have to stick to my guns, for one reason and one reason only: You know what other movie came out in 1997? Beverly Hills Ninja. THE DEFENSE RESTS, BECAUSE THAT MOVIE IS FUCKING AWESOME. I know that stops the disagreement right there, but I&#8217;ll go on. Actually, I thought The Full Monty was pretty awesome, too.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m understanding correctly, here&#8217;s the defense of these movies: A decent plot is complimented by revolutionary special effects and a host of good actors. I&#8217;m fine with that, but it brings up two points in my mind.</p>
<p>First of all, Jurassic Park, The Matrix, Star Wars and Terminator all fit the same description. I&#8217;d go as far as to say that I felt all of these were better movies or at least as good as Titanic, although I may just be saying that because I&#8217;m a boy and these are all action movies. Either way, they all had really amazing effects for their time, created a unique universe, had at least passable stories and at least decent actors, and all of them won Oscars, for things like acting, special effects and sound, but none of them won best picture.</p>
<p>Second, I feel like following this train of thought, if James Cameron were to take Goldilocks and the Three Bears, put it in some fantastic setting like space or ancient Egypt, load the cast up and then give it some really impressive special effects, I would be a stuffy, holier-than-thou dick if I thought that wasn&#8217;t the greatest movie made that year either, ESPECIALLY IF BEVERLY HILLS NINJA CAME OUT THAT VERY SAME YEAR.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that these are terrible movies. Except for Titanic. Actually, I&#8217;m just saying that to antagonize you. Except yes, I think Titanic sucks. (OR DO I?)</p>
<p>What I am saying is that A) part of what makes me think a movie is awesome is being able to watch it again and again and think it&#8217;s really cool, even after the original luster of the special effects has worn off and the actors have fallen off of everyone&#8217;s radar and B) I agree that Avatar had very impressive visuals, but I feel like the special effects end up over-inflating people&#8217;s perception of the quality of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that anyone should feel guilty for liking them, either, or that you can&#8217;t enjoy this movie. Almost all of my media consumption is trash. I listen to metal, I read junk, I play hours of video games and my favorite food is nachos. I love all of those things, and I don&#8217;t lose a lot of sleep about it or feel guilty that I don&#8217;t read more Dostoevsky, eat more foie gras and listen to Classical. But I also don&#8217;t expect any of the things I like to get a lot of critical acclaim, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Atkins's Wife</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I have to step in here because I think it&#039;s lame that you guys keep ripping on Titanic. Seriously, do you even know when Titanic won the best picture Oscar or which movies it was up against? I can safely bet that you don&#039;t. Why? Because other than Oscar nuts, no one knows that shit. Go ahead and look it up. I had to. Seriously, what are the complaints that you guys have about Titanic? The plot? It certainly wasn&#039;t poorly acted, so don&#039;t give me that. And take away the &quot;chick flick&quot; factor, because that&#039;s bullshit.
&quot;Ugh, Titanic was so...blah blah blah&quot; What, do you really think Good Will Hunting should have won? That movie was a pile of offal. 
Titanic didn&#039;t win Best Picture because it was the best plot. It won because it redefined movie making. No other movie was as epic, as technologically advanced.
Now, look at Avatar. It takes CG graphics to a whole new level. Plus there were some pretty cool technologies in it. You have to admire the depth to which Cameron works up his movies.
Criticizing Titanic 13 years later is like going back to Casablanca and saying that it&#039;s &quot;too cliche.&quot; No movie stands up 100% to the test of time.
I&#039;m not saying that Avatar or Titanic had particularly memorable plots. I mean, not every movie can have the novel, intricate plot line of Terminator. But, again, that&#039;s not what they are about. So, give them a break.
Why can&#039;t we just go into a movie and sit and enjoy it? Do you have to be surprised at every turn in every movie? I don&#039;t think that Avatar was ever meant to be particularly plot-twisting.
I also liked District 9, but I&#039;m too tired to defend it right now. Maybe later once my sass meter has recharged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I have to step in here because I think it&#8217;s lame that you guys keep ripping on Titanic. Seriously, do you even know when Titanic won the best picture Oscar or which movies it was up against? I can safely bet that you don&#8217;t. Why? Because other than Oscar nuts, no one knows that shit. Go ahead and look it up. I had to. Seriously, what are the complaints that you guys have about Titanic? The plot? It certainly wasn&#8217;t poorly acted, so don&#8217;t give me that. And take away the &#8220;chick flick&#8221; factor, because that&#8217;s bullshit.<br />
&#8220;Ugh, Titanic was so&#8230;blah blah blah&#8221; What, do you really think Good Will Hunting should have won? That movie was a pile of offal.<br />
Titanic didn&#8217;t win Best Picture because it was the best plot. It won because it redefined movie making. No other movie was as epic, as technologically advanced.<br />
Now, look at Avatar. It takes CG graphics to a whole new level. Plus there were some pretty cool technologies in it. You have to admire the depth to which Cameron works up his movies.<br />
Criticizing Titanic 13 years later is like going back to Casablanca and saying that it&#8217;s &#8220;too cliche.&#8221; No movie stands up 100% to the test of time.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that Avatar or Titanic had particularly memorable plots. I mean, not every movie can have the novel, intricate plot line of Terminator. But, again, that&#8217;s not what they are about. So, give them a break.<br />
Why can&#8217;t we just go into a movie and sit and enjoy it? Do you have to be surprised at every turn in every movie? I don&#8217;t think that Avatar was ever meant to be particularly plot-twisting.<br />
I also liked District 9, but I&#8217;m too tired to defend it right now. Maybe later once my sass meter has recharged.</p>
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		<title>By: myogdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>myogdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some interesting points. As for the Oscars, I guess that you&#039;re right. I don&#039;t care about things like the Grammies, so I probably shouldn&#039;t care about the Academy awards. At the same time, I guess it just confuses me a little bit when a group of people have to determine what the best movie of the year was, and they come up with Titanic.

As for the 10 recycled plots, I agree. The thing that I think I found frustrating about it was that I felt like you could pause the movie at any point and predict what was going to happen for the next 30 minutes. I never felt like I was being kept &quot;on my toes&quot;. Then again, you have me thinking about this, and it could be that it&#039;s just not a plot that I especially enjoy. When I&#039;m watching some guy comedy like The Hangover or The 40 Year Old Virgin, I suppose it&#039;s not as though those are especially cerebral either. It&#039;s no less formulaic, I just really like the formula so it doesn&#039;t bother me as much. 

I like a lot of Cameron&#039;s movies too. I could be wrong, I just feel like this is one of those movies that will be less like Terminator and more like Titanic that&#039;s not going to age especially well.

Either way, all good points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some interesting points. As for the Oscars, I guess that you&#8217;re right. I don&#8217;t care about things like the Grammies, so I probably shouldn&#8217;t care about the Academy awards. At the same time, I guess it just confuses me a little bit when a group of people have to determine what the best movie of the year was, and they come up with Titanic.</p>
<p>As for the 10 recycled plots, I agree. The thing that I think I found frustrating about it was that I felt like you could pause the movie at any point and predict what was going to happen for the next 30 minutes. I never felt like I was being kept &#8220;on my toes&#8221;. Then again, you have me thinking about this, and it could be that it&#8217;s just not a plot that I especially enjoy. When I&#8217;m watching some guy comedy like The Hangover or The 40 Year Old Virgin, I suppose it&#8217;s not as though those are especially cerebral either. It&#8217;s no less formulaic, I just really like the formula so it doesn&#8217;t bother me as much. </p>
<p>I like a lot of Cameron&#8217;s movies too. I could be wrong, I just feel like this is one of those movies that will be less like Terminator and more like Titanic that&#8217;s not going to age especially well.</p>
<p>Either way, all good points.</p>
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		<title>By: tacobell</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, do you really give a shit about the oscars? I find it interesting to see what movies get awards but generally I find those movies pretty painful to watch. I&#039;d rather eat my hand than actually watch the oscar award show.

Second, Avatar certainly rehashes a story which reminds most people of Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas. That&#039;s a generational response, those movies were rehashed from other previously successful movies/stories.

Third, there are no &quot;new&quot; movie plots this year, or really any year. Hollywood has about 10 movie story forms and every major movie is just a spin on that. You have to go watch an indie film like Primer to find something beyond a typical Hollywood plot form. 

I enjoyed Avatar quite a bit because it took an established story form and did it well. It didn&#039;t re-invent anything in terms of story telling but I felt it was polished and well crafted. Maybe I&#039;m the jaded one... I feel like if you see a single advertisement for a film, economics has already committed that film to a typical Hollywood plot line. I thought Avatar was an amazing experience. I&#039;m a big fan of everything Cameron has done, except for Titanic. I&#039;m looking forward to his next movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, do you really give a shit about the oscars? I find it interesting to see what movies get awards but generally I find those movies pretty painful to watch. I&#8217;d rather eat my hand than actually watch the oscar award show.</p>
<p>Second, Avatar certainly rehashes a story which reminds most people of Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas. That&#8217;s a generational response, those movies were rehashed from other previously successful movies/stories.</p>
<p>Third, there are no &#8220;new&#8221; movie plots this year, or really any year. Hollywood has about 10 movie story forms and every major movie is just a spin on that. You have to go watch an indie film like Primer to find something beyond a typical Hollywood plot form. </p>
<p>I enjoyed Avatar quite a bit because it took an established story form and did it well. It didn&#8217;t re-invent anything in terms of story telling but I felt it was polished and well crafted. Maybe I&#8217;m the jaded one&#8230; I feel like if you see a single advertisement for a film, economics has already committed that film to a typical Hollywood plot line. I thought Avatar was an amazing experience. I&#8217;m a big fan of everything Cameron has done, except for Titanic. I&#8217;m looking forward to his next movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Bibi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you&#039;re not getting old and angry. Avatar was pretty to look at and it had Michelle Rodriguez as an added bonus. It was nice, that&#039;s all.

There are other movies that are more deserving an academy award and had the bad luck to come out in the same year as Avatar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you&#8217;re not getting old and angry. Avatar was pretty to look at and it had Michelle Rodriguez as an added bonus. It was nice, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>There are other movies that are more deserving an academy award and had the bad luck to come out in the same year as Avatar.</p>
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		<title>By: myogdb</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth looking into either way.</description>
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		<title>By: myogdb</title>
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		<dc:creator>myogdb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just getting old and angry. I&#039;m just confused. Titanic won an Oscar. Avatar is being mentioned for one. I&#039;m not saying that these movies are bad, but are they really candidates for the best picture of the year?

As for unobtainium, if my understanding is correct, it&#039;s a joke name for something really rare and expensive. I&#039;ll totally check out the link, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just getting old and angry. I&#8217;m just confused. Titanic won an Oscar. Avatar is being mentioned for one. I&#8217;m not saying that these movies are bad, but are they really candidates for the best picture of the year?</p>
<p>As for unobtainium, if my understanding is correct, it&#8217;s a joke name for something really rare and expensive. I&#8217;ll totally check out the link, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound a bit jaded, man.

But hey, did you know that unobtanium is an actual scientific term?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound a bit jaded, man.</p>
<p>But hey, did you know that unobtanium is an actual scientific term?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium</a></p>
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